Android L

Our predictions of which phones will see the next version of Android

Look at the phone in front of you. You probably love it, and chances are it's one of the most used items you own. It's OK to be a little attached to it, and it's a great idea to keep it as long as you can instead of spending money on each and every new thing that comes along.

We know that's not always easy. Soon, we're going to start hearing more and more about Android L, how great it does something, or how cool some new feature looks. You're going to want Android L on the phone in your hands. Not that you need it, and nothing that your phone does today will stop working just because there's a new version of Android. Still, as Android fans, we just gotta have it.

For some of us, that means a new phone. Still hanging on to that Galaxy S3? Yeah, you're upgrading or rooting and romming. For others, getting Android L is a given — the Nexus 5 and most of the Google Play devices will have it in short order after it rolls out sometime later this year. But for most of us, we get to speculate and talk about it a little bit.

Let's talk.

Google devices

Nexus 5

This means Nexus phones (and tablets) and Google Play edition devices. These are your best bet to not only get Android L, but get it without waiting for manufacturers and carriers to jump in and fill it with apps and features you never will use and didn't want in the first place.

It's also pretty easy to guess which of these devices will see Android L and which won't.

The Nexus 5 is a lock. You can try out the "L Preview" on it right now if you're bold and have enough time to set everything up — and set it back up again when you realize that the L Preview is no where ready for daily use.

I'm going to say that all of the Google Play edition phones — includng the ones that were discontinued — will see Android L.

I'm also predicting that the sexiest phone ever made — the Nexus 4 — will not get Android L. And that makes me sad. I hope I'm wrong, but it's going to be two years old. That's a lifetime in the tech industry.

On the tablet side, expect the Nexus 7 2013 and the LG G Pad Google Play edition to see an update. The 2012 tablets aren't going to get any L loving. Poor, poor Nexus 10. You were revolutionary as well as fabulous.

HTC devices

HTC One M8

If you draw a timeline of HTC phones, put a mark when the HTC One M7 was released. Everything later will see Android L. Everything earlier probably won't. HTC has basically said as much, and it makes sense if you look at it objectively. HTC just doesn't have the resources to update earlier phones like the Rezound.

Nobody has to like it. If you bought a Rezound or one of the HTC Butterfly phones, you know you spent top-dollar on a high-end phone that didn't get the updates it should have. HTC has clearly defined policies about updates going forward, but those went into effect after you bought your phone. And of course, adding a healthy portion of Verizon into the mix doesn't help anything.

None of this changes anything, though. If you bought an HTC phone released before the HTC One M7, I'm pretty sure you won't be getting any Android L updates.

LG devices

LG G3

The part of me that's been burned by LG's track record of updating phones says my G2 will never see Android L. The G3 will, but phones like the G Flex or the Optimus Pro 2 or my lovely little G2 may never see any new version of Android. LG hasn't said anything official, but that really doesn't mean too much.

But LG seems different as of late. They are making great phones, have improved their own software at least a thousand-fold, and are taking thing more seriosuly. This gives me some hope.

Since I have to make a prediction, I'll say the LG G3 and non-US versions of the G2 and G Flex will see a timely update. Nothing released sooner, and nothing a little lower on the "premium" scale. Carrier versions of the G2 and G Flex are going to depend on the carrier. And that scares me.

Prove me wrong, LG. Please.

Motorola devices

Moto X

Motorola has already said the Moto X, the Moto G and the Moto E will see Android L. We expected that the new Lenovo-fied management would keep the same pace in updating phones that the Google-led team did, and they pass the first test. We're pretty sure this includes the 2013 Verizon Droids, too.

Unfortunately, nothing else built by Motorola will see any updates. Moto seemed happy to abandon their old models, even when they weren't that old cough Droid Razr Maxx HD cough. None of those phones are going to see any updates. Motorola isn't going to spend the time or money, and neither is Verizon or AT&T or Sprint or anyone else. It's almost like there should be an Island of Misfit Phones.

Moto's been through a tough patch where they weren't making any money, and nobody seemed to want to buy their phones. I think part of their strategy to break out of that mold involves simple software that easy to update quickly. Expect to see Android L on a Moto phone very shortly after the release.

Samsung devices

Galaxy S5

This one's easy. The Galaxy S5, and Galaxy Note 3 will get updated to Android L as fast as Samsung is able to update them. The Galaxy S4 will follow shortly after, and then Samsung is basically done. The few high-end devices that weren't sold in the west will probably see an update, but none of us have them and nobody can guess when.

Samsung's mid-range and low-end devices will sit at whatever version they are on now until they stop working. Love it or hate it, that's part of Samsung's strategy — push out a ton of new cheap devices every year to be used as "feature-phone" replacements. Maybe phones like the Moto G and E or Nokia Lumias will change this, but not this year.

More importantly is how Samsung will alter Android L to continue to offer the things people love them for offering. They weren't able to do so with KitKat and the SD card, but they will do everything they can to keep users happy and buying Samsung products. Samsung's version of Android L will be amazing if you're a Samsung fan, but it might take a couple extra updates to get it sorted, because we all want it right now instead of when it's ready. I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do and how they will work the new design language into their software.

On the tablet side, I think things are pretty clear-cut. The Galaxy Tab 4 will see Android L, as will the Pro and Tab S lines they introduced this year. Don't look for an update on anything older, and if it happens nobody will be happier than I am. Sometimes, I love being wrong.

Sony devices

Xperia Z2

Nobody wants to update their gear to the next version of Android more than Sony does. They are big contributers to AOSP, and have a really good relation with developers. They just always seem to have one issue or another. Updating software when part of it is out of your control is hard. Sony really does try harder than anyone else, they just aren't ever very lucky.

Having said that, look for an Android L update for the Xperia Z1, Xperia Z2 and the upcoming Xperia Z3. The compact versions, and carrier versions, too. Other phones are a total crapshoot. Sony will do everything they can, but as we've seen, often that's not enough. I'll repeat myself — nobody wants to update to Android L more than Sony does.

The same thing goes for their tablets. The latest models will find a way to get an Android L update, but anything made earlier than mid-2013 is too unpredictable to predict.

The best news is that Sony works well with the guys who love to do things like write kernels or try to shoehorn unofficial software onto unlocked devices. No matter which Xperia phone you have, someone is going to try their damndest to get Android L on it and share their work.

Everything else

OnePlus One

What about my Oppo Find 5?!? The truth is, we mostly have no idea. Some companies, like OnePlus, have said they will be updating to Android L in a timely fashion, others are mostly silent. You can bet these companies are all looking at what it will take to update their late-model devices to Android L, but the cost-benefit — both in time and money — has to be there. Companies like Samsung have a whole team who writes and builds software for their Android devices. I imagine they work long hours without sunlight and fresh air, and we don't appreciate the difficult job they do. But HiSense probably doesn't have such a team. Companies like ASUS are vested in Android, but as mentioned the benefit of updating has to outweigh the cost.

If you're device was well built and popular, you can hope for an update. Some companies, like NVIDIA, can afford to work harder at it than others can. There is just no guarentee that it will happen.

Remember, your phone or tablet will still work just like it did before Android L was announced, and what Google is doing with things like Play Services and pulling apps out of the OS and into Google Play means that you don't always need a full OS update to enjoy new features.

And finally, remember this is our best educated guess about what's going to happen. We've been through this a few times, and feel we've got a good handle on how manufacturers and carriers think (or don't think) when it comes to updating devices. We wish we could say "Android L for everybody!" but we know we can't. That's not how Android works.

 

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Android L - will my phone get the update?

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I dont agree with the Sony part.Xperia SP wasn't even 18 months old and they didn't even release KitKat for it and the budget Xperia E did which is not even half as powerful as SP received the update

Specifically mentioned z phones and said everything else is up in the air. I don't see what you're disagreeing with. Sony has been on their update game for the z series pretty good now

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yeah, perhaps think it's because the Z series, including the Z ultra, have a lot more hardware in common than other ranges?
My wife has an Xperia SP and whilst it's a nice little handset, I am bothered that updates just don't seem to be happening.

But there is always the Verizon factor to consider.

With that said, I really hope they can pull it together and get this line of devices Android L in a timely manner.

My Sprint G2 told me to say this, "root me, hotspot mod me, sim-unlock me, and don't except anymore updates."

I said okay.

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Can you tell your G2 it means "accept" not "except" please?

I understand it's Korean so English may not be its primary predictive dictionary, but if it goes uncorrected it won't learn.

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What about Verizon?

The Moto X, (PREPAID) Moto G, and the 2013 DROIDs are all on 4.4.4.

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Historically they've been one of the worst carriers when it comes to approving updates for their devices.

Based on this I figured they were still lacking on their Droid line from last year, but I'm glad I was wrong and that they've been doing a better job getting them out for users.

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On Motorola

The 2012 DROIDs (DROID RAZR M, DROID RAZR HD, DROID RAZR MAXX HD) all got up to 4.4.2 KitKat. They're probably not getting 4.4.4 or anything higher. I wouldn't exactly call that being abandoned even though they're probably done getting system updates at this point.

The 2013 DROIDs (DROID MINI, DROID ULTRA, and DROID MAXX) are all as current as the Moto X and Moto G on Verizon - running 4.4.4 KitKat. Officially, the 2013 DROIDs got KitKat before the Verizon Moto X and Moto G models. Android L for the 2013 DROIDs seems like a safe bet to me. When Motorola pledge two-year support for the 2013 models, I believe the 2013 DROIDs were a part of that.

Officially, the Verizon Moto X got kitkat even before the Nexus 4 did. So, no, none of those DROIDS got it before the X.

Isn't it already confirmed that the Nexus 4 is getting the Android L update? I mean the Nexus 7 (2013) has the L Preview, and it basically has the same exact components as the Nexus 4...? And didn't the Nexus 4 appear in Android L sourcecode?

+1 on Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 2013 having almost identical internal components. Not to worry though, would be a good reason to root/ROM that Nexus 4.

Opinions of this user may be biased due to being one of those Nexus people.

Frankly, I would be shocked (and annoyed) if the Nexus 4 did NOT get Android L. There is literally no reason at all it should not get it. I have a Nexus 4 and a 5, so it's not a big loss to me personally if they don't. But it would be an idiotic and pointless move not to include the Nexus 4.

Ditto with the 2012 Nexus 7. I would assume both of these will get Android L, even if they do not get it immediately.

Nexus One ran low on ROM.

Nexus S only had 512MB of RAM and a single core processor.

Galaxy Nexus stopped having its drivers updated by TI.

Nexus 4 still has a really good processor, plenty of RAM, and enough storage that not updating it makes no sense at all. In fact, it has the same processor and RAM as the Moto X, except it's quad-core vs. the Moto X's dual core processor, and the Moto X is being updated.

Well maybe not idiotic. When I got the nexus 5 I said I would keep it for 2 years. So for me if I had bought the nexus 4 nearly 2 years ago then I would be very interested in the nexus 6. Obviously the nexus 4 is very compatible with Android L and it should help it with its battery problems. It just makes sense for Google not to update it to push people onto buying a nexus 6 or even a cheaper nexus 5.

And given that Google released the L source code for the N4 already, it's odd to think they won't update it after doing all that work...

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Google hasn't released anything official for Android L on the Nexus 4, but developers have used the source code for the N5 and the N7 to create a working version for the N4. This is what makes me believe Jerry is wrong, and the Nexus 4 will get updated to Android L. I can see where he has his doubts, and I can value the strategy of not getting everyone's hopes up by saying it will be updated.

Given that I plan on picking up either the new Moto X+1 or the next Nexus device, whatever it may be called, it won't break my heart if the N4 is not officially updated.

Actually i planned on getting a Nexus (6?) or moto X2 but as money has become tight,I may need to hold onto the Nexus 4 an extra 6 months.
The "its 2 yrs old" thing doesn't fly, i would be pissed if i have to use a Nexus on 4.4.4 while GS5 is getting L.
The Galaxy nexus didn't get Kitkat cause of the TI chips not its age.
If the Moto X can run L so can the Nexus 4.

I agree about the age thing -- with the S4 Pro and the Adreno 320, two years is just not that long and the hardware is just not that long in the tooth. It would be like Windows 8.1 not supporting my 'old' Core 2 Quad Q6600 CPU; it's preposterous.

To be fair a Q6600 is bloody old!

Not judging though, I'm running a Q9550 and I do see your point. They're still excellent chips, the one thing that really dates them is lack of DDR3 support.

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I'm sad to burst your bubble, but I've had the Q6600 running on DDR3 Memory from 2009 - 2014 ... these pre-Core i Chips do have the memory controller in the northbridge, not the CPU - with a fitting board, you could either run DDR2 or DDR3 (I actually made that transition with the Q6600 when the board died on me).

Research is lacking with this article the n4 will get it otherwise they wouldn't drop the GPL code!

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On the flip side, if they are planning to update to L why no dev preview? Though to answer my own question, you only need one nexus phone and one nexus tablet to fulfill the intended purpose of the dev preview.

The nexus 4 WILL get L though, it just may not be an official build.

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i only run official Google software.
so now that i think about it, I wasn't crazy about the look of L anyway.
4.4.4 isn't a bad place to be stuck if Nexus 4 doesn't get L.
So when Google says they want the low end hard ware to be able to run Kitkat, is that different with L or do they mean Just this years Low end stuff.
Its a speculation piece, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Well, given that they've never released dev previews before (as I understand it), it stands to reason that they wouldn't release it for very many devices.

I keep thinking about Apple, though... they release a hobbled update for their older hardware for about three years; I would think Google could stick it to them by being known for fully supporting their older hardware for more than 18 months, and the fact of the matter is that the N4 has too much hardware behind it to be ignored, especially if we compare it to the current Nexus (similar procs, same number of cores, same RAM, etc.).

I'm hoping my original xperia Z will get updated, but I won't hold my breath. The kit kat update took a while to come, I can see them not bothering with L.

I still love this phone though, and don't plan on upgrading just yet, so I might go down the romming route.

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It will be very lame of Sony to do this considering that the HTC One M7 which was released in the same timeframe as the Z is getting L

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But Sony have released one and a half times at least or double depending on IFA next month the flagships of HTC in that time. 3 or 4 to HTC's 2. Not counting the max or mini lines.

I'd like to think Sony would try to get L on the original Xperia Z. Should be more than capable of running it, but for sure the Z1, Z2 and Z3 devices will be higher up the list.

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Jerry, can you expand a little more on why you don't think the Nexus 10 tablet will see Android L? I know there are rumors a new tablet will replace the Nexus 10 but if you think discontinued Play Edition phones would get L, why not this stalwart of a tablet as well? Thx

The Nexus 10 processor is really bad! It's only a dual core. Look at what happened when they tried to update it to the KitKat version. It couldn't even get the translucent bar and there were so many bugs! So trying to update it to Android L will be really tricky!

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L is designed to run on lower hardware, is it not? Plus Google still shows the Nexus 10 in the Play Store (granted it's out of stock), but if they are no longer planning to sell it, wouldn't they remove the listing? I can't imagine they'd pass over a Nexus device still listed in the store.

Wasn't kit kat designed to run on as little as 512 mb devices? The nexus 10 kit kat update was so bad that it didn't get the translucent bar? Neither did the 2nd Gen nexus 7 but it's getting L... Again what are these hardware limitations you speak of? Kit kat was hailed as an os that was very efficient.

Next-us

I have Kit Kat on my 1 GB of RAM, 16 GB of flash Nexus 10 and the bugs are just as common on my 2 GB of RAM, 32 GB of flash Nexus 5, Kit Kat is designed to take low specs, funny thing is, my N10 has almost as much spare RAM as my Nexus 5. Yes the processor is weak, runs high resolution video well, but lacks the responsiveness, of my N5 in gaming, but it's 22 months old, at $300 AUS, for QHD and Kit Kat cheap, probably get L sometime, but it's obviously not going to be the same type of L as on a 4 GB of RAM, 192 GPU, 64 bit chipped device. It won't be first cab off the rank, that'll be the Nex 6 and 8, which are likely to be 64 bit, possibly QHD, high in RAM and flash, then Nex 5, 7 FHD, I'll be selling my stuff, if I can get a 64 bit, QHD, high memory, but once I have one, the other one won't be a high speed priority.

The translucent decor works just fine on nexus 10. They also took away the tablet design in the settings menu but we've all chalked it up to douche baggery at this point. None of it involved bugs. And lol ONLY dual core!

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A dual-core that was more powerful than the quad-cores that came out before it. It was the best processor available when it came out. Plus I had no bugs when my N10 got KitKat. Your logic is flawed on so many levels.

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KitKat runs pretty well on the OMAP inside the Galaxy Nexus, too. I just have a feeling Google isn't going to spend time or money on updating a two year old phone.

But they have. No use pushing code if they weren't going to update.

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As opposed to a year and a half old tablet with really similar internals? I think that last bit might be the N4's saving grace here, a lot of the work required will have to get done either way... Washing away some of the Galaxy Nexus memories won't hurt either.

I also have a 2012 nexus 7. Maybe that will get it, maybe it wont. But I don't really care to be honest. It's not the best performing device in the world anymore and an update to L might make it worse.

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if this is true, google will stop 3 nexus devices at once. I think that is impossible... (and i hope I'm right)

There is a difference between stopping a device and not releasing an update to the next version of Android...

Right I know, and sorry I came off like a dick. But if you look at previous timelines the same has been done before to prior nexus devices so it wouldn't be too surprising this time around either.

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Only a few more Nexus devices to kill off and all will be right in the world. Well at least one phone

My Optimus G is still on Jellybean 4.1.2 and the G2 will be lucky if it gets L. Maybe LG will update the G2 from 4.4.2 to 4.4.4 if they feel generous.

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Sprint and AT&T are most of the delay. The rest of the world got updated to 4.2 or 4.3 a long time ago. I guess Sprint and AT&T consider the Optimus G to be a bastard child.

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I just got my G2 a few weeks before the G3 was released. The price drop tipped it for me. But if LG skips the G2 this is the last LG phone for me. I'll go back to Sammy or on to Moto

I am hoping that LG will not skip the G2, but I have a feeling that they will or maybe just the VZW version. Every other carrie's LG G2 has been updated withthe knock on lock screen codes, so maybe those carriers will get their phones up to Android L.

I really hope the New Moto x+1 has some good specks cause I know a phone like that will receive the next updates for at least a few years. That may be my next phone.

It's barely a year old now...but remember, L isn't going to come until Oct/Nov. That will put the device at 11-13 months old at that point. So honestly, it could go either way. It could also be a thing where they update the non-carrier, unlocked European/Korean G2s, but the US versions won't get it due to the carriers not being interested in the update.

I still cannot see them skipping it. I would say that I would be shocked if they did.

Now the carrier thing...maybe...that is more likely but I still am not sure..

People would be furious at LG if it didn't happen and LG would tell them it's all the carriers fault. That would be a massive storm for the USA carriers.

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LOL, exactly. The carriers could not possibly give less of a crap what their customers think. They really and truly despise their customers who actually want service and software updates, it's just their wallets that the carriers love.

Doesn't matter who's fault it is, it will stop sales of LG phones on whatever carrier is to blame. Is LG willing to risk it?

Granted at this stage in the smartphone game, just how important are these "updates"?

Updates are more important than they've ever been, I think. I don't think anyone cared nearly as much about updates in the past than they do now. On top of that, more people than ever are using smartphones.

Why? Outside of security patches, the AOSP has not contributed as much to the as OEMs have by a long stretch. Butter was nice, Project Svelte did nothing for devices that were released already, Project volta may add 10% to the battery life.

What is there to die for?

Outside of security, as Jerry rightly said Google Play Services does a lot in the background, so not too much, without a 64 bit chip, don't like company skin though, 2/3 of all security holes according to MIT, eats RAM and flash, for what? A real pain on my sisters original Jelly Bean 1 Note 1, had to do RAM work, factory reset and apply move to SD card.

Have you used the L preview on anything? I'm using it on my N7, and I'm actually pretty hopeful that Volta will make a sizeable difference. My standby time is *significantly* better than it was with 4.4, and that had been one of my big sticking points with 4.4 devices.

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I put it on my Nexus 7 (the initial preview) but admittedly do not use it as much as my other tablet. I really have not seen a huge jump, but there is a jump.

I am not sure that I would go as high a significantly...

Even so, I have to say it is a "OMG I MUST HAVE IT" update

Yeah I'm in your same position. They have to compete with other companies. If owners find out that they don't support past users well they'll stop buying their products

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The oppo find 5 latest update is on 4.2.2 jelly bean of course it won't get Android L that's for sure. And probably the find7 also will not get Android L even though it is a very capable smartphone.

That is one of my faults with the company (scam) that is Oppo and OnePlus. I can very well see the support being non- exsistent on ColorOS and the one "L" release being CM. Not so sure that is gonna go either since they cannot officially release Kit Kat yet...They are a cluster....

I hope that development for Oppo devices is handed over to the CM team. Oppo's in-house developers are garbage.

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I have 2 devices atm my Nexus 7 (2012) and my Nexus 4.

I have no doubt that the Nexus 7 (2012) will not get Android L, it is old by now and feals a bit slow, and I'm planning to get the next Nexus tablet insted (hopefully it's not much bigger than the size of the Nexus 7).

But the Nexus 4 still packs a punch. I love this phone and still feels fast when using it. I'll bet the Nexus 4 will get the Android L update.

Totally think the nexus 4 will. Not too worried there.

Coming from your nexus 7, and wanting something faster and bigger and anxiously being a stock android guy, what are you considering going to out of curiosity?

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That rumored HTC Nexus looks good...Hope it is real even though I won't be getting it. Both because Nexus tablets are way above average and because it will get HTC back into them. Might even give them a few dollars

The rumored upcoming Nexus tablet may replace my Nexus 7 (2012), if it's not too big - I like the small size tablets.
But if the Nexus 7 (2012) gets Android L, and it brings new life to it, I'll stay with what I have

I think the Nexus 4 will get L for a couple reasons, for one thing it features many of the same components as the N7 (2013) so a good chunk of the work is done either way. Second, they probably wouldn't mind washing away some of the Galaxy Nexus memories... Plus the active user base is probably still relatively high.

There's technical reasons for dropping the first N7 (no other Tegra device from that year is getting L in all likelihood either), just like there was for dropping the GNex (TI was out of the game), but I don't see an obvious one for the N4... Granted I'm not sitting in Qualcomm's lab writing radio drivers and such so this is all conjecture.

I'll be looking at Cyanogenmod to get my phone running Android L. I still don't have 4.4 on the S3.

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Come on.. Are official updates the way to do it? Don't agree with that. My 4 year old Galaxy S (yes the forefather of the series) runs a 4.4.4 custom rom and I am pretty sure that it will get an L rom too !

Might try that myself, tried it on my GNex, bricked it, the carrier was getting in the way, it was near the end of its life, my Nex 10 QHD is only worth $180 AUS resale, worth the risk, boosts the resale to $200 if I succeeded.

Yep. CM for Nexus devices is usually great, so if the N10 doesn't get L (and I have absolutely no hope that it will), I'll definitely start flashing CM builds as soon as there are nightlies.

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I'm the guy who bought the HTC one mini, and so far it's been a mistake. Don't get me wrong, without a case on it's the sexiest phone ever made, and it feels great in my hand, but it's been one long disappointment.
I've wanted to love it since day one, but I can't commit. Some love from the PA team would be great, but that seems unlikely at the moment. My only hope is Android L, perhaps that would make this sleek piece of hardware worth it all.

A lot of times there are unofficial PA builds, have you looked into that?

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I just want to say that in any discussion of updates, Samsung and Fast shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

Its cool to get it and all but I have a Note 3 and I'm sure Samsung will, as usual, make it unrecognizable and I'm sure it will look no different than the current UI. So I really don't care since I will have to use Nova Launcher to cover up TouchWiz as much as possible regardless. And even the Note 4 whether it has Kit Kat or Lollipop or Mandrake etc, Samsung will make it look like a Samsung phone.

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You say that like it is a bad thing. The S5 version of TW is much nice and if it contiues with the trend they might get it right on the Note 4 or S6

I got my wife the S5 and she wanted me to put Nova Launcher on it within half hour of using it. But she had just came from a Nexus phone. I don't like it either I put it on my note after a couple days of using TouchWiz. All I'm saying is that it doesn't matter if I get Android L because it probably won't look any different than my phone does right now with KitKat on it. Yes I will probably get a few little extra features but it will probably mostly be in Google Apps. It is a bad thing when Samsung tends to keep their UI long after others have updated/ changed. Samsung stayed with the Gingerbread look well into KitKat. Even though they updated the S5 to look a lot better they are going to keep the look probably for the next 3 years or more. Personally I would love it if it had at least half the options that nova launcher has. I hate Samsung icons- they're very ugly. Don't get me wrong I love my Note. But I don't love it for anything samsung puts on it. If someone came out with an equally powerful device with less bloat, ( good camera /ram/processor etc) I'd jump on it in a heart beat. Right now I have 53 disabled applications on my phone and that's just ridiculous.

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Oh ok, I thought you were another TW SUCKS kinda guy. I have been going the last few months with straight TW on my Note 3.

I do agree that I prefer apex to the way TW looks and feels a lot of times...

I'll be curious to see how the G3 Stylus performs. I'm not a huge fan of LG's skin, but I do like it more than TouchWiz, and LG doesn't load it up with quite as much stuff as Samsung does. It'll all come down to how well they integrate stylus input, which is something Samsung has done phenomenally well.

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If the Note 4 does not have YOUM, I am gonna have to wait for the stylus release/announcement. I am really impressed with the G3 and I could see myself switching to LG if they are comparable.

Might be nice to get away from Samsung for awhile as well even though I use the other OEM phones regularly. The Note 3 is still the personal phone for me...

"Samsung will make it look like a Samsung phone"

And? HTC will make L look like an HTC phone, LG will make it look like an LG phone, etc.

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Exactly- so it doesn't matter if it gets Android L or not. My Note probably won't show any real visual enhancements, and the features will probably mostly be seen in Google Apps only. Samsung will make sure that the phone doesn't look updated at least for the next two to three releases of Android. My Note 3 still looks like the Gingerbread UI even though it has KK. That's all I'm saying.

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From what I've seen on XDA, the code is there for the visual enhancements of the S5's version of TW in the Note 3's version, just not activated. Furthermore (and take this part however you like), it has been stated by supposed people in the know that the Note 3 will get the S5's UI changes in the next major update, presumably L.

I change things around on my devices anyway so the visuals don't bother me that much. I like the functionality of TW, but I admit it can look better.

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Well that is good to hear and thanks. I am totally stock but rooted after a long line of ROMs and the whatnot. I needed to be stock for a project and now am just leaving it because I plan on getting the Note 4. Good to see it could happen though. Not as quick as I would like (like HTC did) but as I stated, I bought the phone for what it was, not what it could be.

"I'm also predicting that the sexiest phone ever made — the Nexus 4 — will not get Android L"
You take that back Jerry. Take it back right now.

I think the Nexus 4 will get L as I still have mine and would like to see the difference on L. But am looking forward most to my OnePlus One getting the update and hope that it is sooner rather than later, unlike their delivery of my case.

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My tab 3 isn't going to get it I'm still waiting on KitKat!!! But any tab from this year it'll get the update!!! Its good to hear that the moto series is getting the update, but I'm waiting for the Moto G2 (Everyone who owns a LG G2 try your luck with this "G2" from your trusted manufacturer Motorola!!!)

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I'd be pretty disappointed if the Nexus 4 didn't get Android L considering the Nexus device history...
I believe all of the Nexus devices have gotten all the updates released in their 2 year life spans so unless Android L comes out after Nov, it would be breaking this pattern by not releasing Android L to the Nexus 4.

I must have misunderstood something about the release of KITKAT. Wasn't google's plane was to release that operating system to abandon the fragmentation of their operating systems across the mobile deviecs using the android operating system?

If Android L commences the fragmentation process again, then kitkat would have been for naught.

If memory serves, Nexus support is officially discontinued after 18 months, so I wouldn't bet on Nexus 4

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18 months is the guideline, but I would have thought that Google would set a 2+ year precedent. Then again Google is not known to do that with regards to the Nexus line...

In an interview Google engineer has stated that the 18 months is not a benchmark and they plan to support Nexus devices for as long as is realistically possible

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Well Google said that they at one point was going to work with OEMs to get a minimum of 18 months worth of upgrades so that might be what he is talking about

This was what I was speaking of
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/nexus-program-manager-says-nexus-...
"We also asked about compatibility for the L release. The Nexus 5 and 2013 Nexus 7 already have developer images so they'll obviously be supported, but every other Nexus device that runs 4.4 is running up against that 18 month window. He wouldn't say which current Nexus devices will get the L release, but he did say that Google will try to support Nexus hardware for as long as is realistically possible."

Even though I have a real dislike for the Nexus 4, I hope that it does see Android L. It has its downsides but it does have the power for it.

I should add that even if official support ends, developer support is amazing. If you don't get it from Google it will probably be available elsewhere. My now-venerable Galaxy Nexus runs 4.4.4 like a top.

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The nexus 4 still has some top notch specs in it, so I think that it would be able to handle the next update version of android. Well I hope that they don't leave it high n dry anyway..

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What's all the lack of confidence on the Nexus 4? Anyone have forgotten that the first leaked L screenshots were in the same resolution as the Nexus 4?

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@jerry you say the 2012 nexus 7 won't get Android L. Is that a sure thing that you know 100% or your just guessing based on the very open interpreted 18 month bs rule.

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Read again. These are not facts, just fact-driven opinions and guesses made based on carrier and manufacturer past decisions

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I don't think Google has ever updated a Nexus device that was over 2 years old. And there isn't any indication they would change this pattern. So it may be a guess, but I think the guess has a solid foundation.

However, since it is a Nexus you will have plenty of unofficial ROMs to choose from if you want the latest Android OS on it.

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The old Tegra chipset is probably the first Nexus 7's downfall here, since virtually no phone with the same chipset is gonna be setting L, so there's little incentive for NV to port drivers etc.

I'm happy owner of Nexus4 and Nexus7 (2012) and they still pack a good punch, I don't feel any need for HW upgrade to get a new flashy candy. But I'm sick of being stuck with obsolete and insecure embedded firmware versions, which are abandoned shortly after you buy them (my past LG/Samsung experience). My main reason going with Google device was a hope for better and longer OS support (couldn't care less about the brand name, they all build the same junk). 12-24 months OS support shouldn't be acceptable for anybody. I will give my business to one who will provide longest support for their products in the future!

While Google updates their devices quickly, they don't have a history of supporting them for a long time, though I don't think any Android manufacturers are better and they are often much worse.

But what I was counting on when I bought my 2012 Nexus 7 was there being lots of support from custom ROM developers as an option to keep it up to date after Google stopped officially supporting it.

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Meh, I've never understood the constant gnashing of teeth for the latest version of Android. It's like people are never happy with what they've got and are always looking for that next fix. It seems like some type of conditioned behavior cultivated by the industry and its subsequent communities. IMO, it just feels like a lot of wasted energy. Personally, I prefer to live by the axiom; "If it ain't broke..." :)

I am not bashing the users or the company but the attitude/behavior is because of Apple and how they handle updates. Mix that in with a slight inferiority complex and you get what we have here today....

I am with you. If the Note 3 never sees L I will not be upset. I bought the phone because of how it was at the time of purchase not what it might become later in life...

If we're being honest with ourselves, a dual core, Jelly Bean device is a historically sweet device, however UHD recording would be good and I'm looking forward to a 64 bit, QHD high GPU, high memory, sugar rush.

I agree, when I get a phone it's because of what it has to offer at the time I buy it. I have a G2 and love it so I'm not worried if it gets it or not. If so then good of not no big deal.

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If I had a g2, I'd want the updated ui of the g3. Same as me wanting the new tw of the s5 :)

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+1

I would have thought the Note 3 would have gotten it now, but I am guessing not. They updated features for the S3 to the S4 (a few) but I cannot say that I have seen it this time around

I hope so. I am more than likely gonna pass this phone down to one of the brats by then but it would be nice to have it "look" like the most recent.

I think LG G2 will get one update. Make sense, G3 is the flagship today from LG and we have G2 a past flagship... It has Snapdragon 800 with adreno 330. Z2 has the same graphic card just with snap 801. Sooo and if i think that the Galaxy S4 has snap 600... You know!

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for low end, yeah but the more than 2 year old S3 got Kit Kat, not many manufacturers can say that...Nexus can't

Personally I believe that L will be the Nexus 4s last update.

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I am trying to think of all the benefits we would get from Android L if we are running an Android OEM phone such as a Samsung, HTC, or LG. I guess we might benefit from the new location services and being able to control when we need to lock the phone as long as this capability is allowed on the phone, We get a 64 bit system, but that won't matter because we have a 32 bit phone so nothing there. We get the ART. Not going to get the interface we seen in pictures so why do we care if we get Android L or not? I m probably overlooking some advantages so I hope someone can explain them further.

I think you're right, I only get worried when the apps I want cannot be used with the current OS I got running.

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Got a '13 Nexus 7 & Note 3....feeling pretty good right now. Hopefully the L update will somehow fix the touchscreen sensitivity issues my N7 has had sense I got it.

One or more of the previous updates supposedly addressed this but I still have issues. Especially frustrating when there's a delay when playing games or having to turn the screen off/on when it stops responding altogether

This is one area the serpents fruit has the advantage. Backward compatibility and a headlock on carriers. If I was Apple it would be my Ad campaign. A 366 day old android device is an abandoned device.

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The only thing with Apple is that everyone is upgraded to the same version, but that doesn't mean everyone has the same functionality so there is no fragmentation as far as a version number but all products cannot do the same thing. Example I have an iphone 3G in the house. It cannot do the maps or other things newer iphones can. So this idea of everything is the same is really not there...same in number.....not the same in functionality.

My RAZR M is left out in the cold, I am forced to get a new phone now >:-(

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No you're not. Only if you feel that you absolutely must get
L, perhaps, but if it still works well, why upgrade?

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Because being left behind in software leaves you in the cold for the benefits such as better battery life, and speed and improvements overall. 1GB of RAM sucks anyways for multitasking and having multiple browser tabs open.

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The razor m has KitKat on it. 1GB is all you need for multitasking

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Nope, try again. My RAZR M struggles with multiple tabs, they constantly reload or the entire browser stops working for a second. I owned a Moto C before and broke it otherwise I wouldn't have this phone, my Moto X was a dream while web browsing, this phone though can't handle more than a few tabs or apps open.

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The razor m has KitKat on it. 1GB is all you need for multitasking.

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The Moto G is also a much newer device with a better processor, how do you compare 2012 tech to 2013 tech?

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The RAZR m was a good device in its time though, loved the display and compact size :)

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Same here, but performance ain't the way I want it to be. I wish there was a proper RAZR M successor. I am holding out hopes maybe the 2014 Droid Mini has a AMOLED screen.

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It is the next Android version that is coming out at the end of the year. Google announced it in June, and released several preview builds to select Nexus devices (a beta test for lack of a better word). They recently just released an update to the original.

It will be officially released by the end of the year sometime.

From where I sit, mute point. Since Google "broke" SD card usefulness Android is spiraling downhill and even worse that app Ops is gone or dramatically neutered.

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I have a G2 on Verizon, but I'm not worried. Being on the EDGE plan sure has its perks, and when I land my G3 in a few months it won't even matter.

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I really hope my Galaxy S4 gets android L as I'd love that plus I still got 16 months to go on my phone.

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i still dont agree with any of this. i pay just as much money as the next guy so i should get to have the same exprience as everyone else. now im not talking about a 3 year old phone and i dont know what the cut off should be, and it shouldnt be my decision. as a consumer i should be able to pay the money and sit back and enjoy the goods. every single time android comes out with a new version, google should just push it to every android phone and/or let it be known to every user that "hey this is where we're at. if your phone doesnt look and work like this then we have a beautiful line of phones called nexus" . this would get these oems moving. and i dont want to hear "well the process is more complicatednthan you think". i know it is but i dont care. not my problem. again i paid just as much moneyas the next guy. and the answere should never be "well then go buy an iphone". this perpetual beta testing nonsence needs to stop. thats why people love iphones, it feels like a finished product. and dont get me wrong i would never get and iphone. i down with google till the bitter end. i just think oems and carriers have to much controll over android. and i think its because they're (consumer) not aware that they're not getting android. average joe isnt going to go from samsung to htc. they dont know there is a difference. they will say "to hell with android im just getting an iphone". and i for one dont want to see this happen. im a dumb #$&^ and dont know the logistics...but i shouldnt have to. i understand that choices comes with certain downfalls. but i think people should know what android is and what it looks like so they can put pressure on the oems and carriers to get rid of their bloatware. or not but atleast they know whats what. we keep fallingdown this rabbit hole untill android is not even a thing. its just oem vs oem. sorry so long just had to put my feelings out there.

In a perfect world, this would be great. But in a perfect world, your 3 year old phone would have a processor that could support the newest version of android. In this case, it doesn't. And even if it does. It's not google's fault. If a cpu manufacturer won't update binaries for their older products, there is nothing they could do. Let's describe what happens when you buy a phone. You buy the hardware and the software. If a newer camera module comes out, do you expect the manufacturer to take your phone and replace the camera for the newer one for free? No. Same goes with software. There is a lot of work that goes into creating a new version of android and even more to make it work on your pre-historic phone. You bought the hardware and the manufacturer doesn't have to update it. You bought the software and the same applies. Maybe you have been spoiled by certain companies working hard to keep your phone up to date for years. But they don't have to. Just like they don't have to replace that 3 year old mic, or those 3 year old speakers. 

You think your S4 wont be getting Android L? Ofcourse it will. BTW, Nexus 4 and Galaxy S4 has the same GPU. I can bet with a 200% certainty that the Nexus 4 will get Android L. No maybes, it's a definite.

Getting a G3 is the first time I've ever be an earlier adopter (was the first person to buy a G3 from my particular AT&T retail store, the first US carrier to have it).

Made me a little nervous but the benefit is a highly likely update to L.

There's little doubt that this year's flagships will get L. It's next year's version of Android that people should be concerned with when buying this year's flagship.

I think the Nexus 4 WILL get Android L simply because there were preview files (can't remember what) for the Nexus 4 posted by Google.

Sent from my Nexus 5

Weren't there builds for the Gnex at one time for whatever the update was gonna be? I might be wrong, I was not paying all that much attention to Nexus back then (they were just coming onto the radar in a big way)

EDIT: Nope it looks like I am wrong about that.... I thought there was an official on a nexus that got pulled...oh well

So my phone will get android L?!? Score!!!!

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But jokes aside. A lot of people are complaining that their phone won't get upgraded. When you bought what ever you bought you knew this. You wanted the knock knock or the waterproof so you can't have guaranteed updates. Google makes an open source OS which means its up to the OEMs to take that OS when it becomes available and make it run on their devices. If they don't want to be bothered with that then you need to take it up with them. Wherever reason you didn't choose a nexus 5 is the reason you aren't guaranteed L. I'm not saying the nexus line is the greatest but its THE perk of having one. Enjoy your phone you cant have your cake and eat it too

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Well I think the Nexus 4 WILL get Android L, so will the Nexus 10, but I don't think the Nexus 7 (2012) will get it. This is because since the Galaxy Nexus, every Nexus device gets 3 major updates. So the time of the Galaxy Nexus is over, KitKat was the last update for the Nexus 7 (2012), and Android L may be the last one for the Nexus 4 & the Nexus 10.
Btw I'm so lucky to use a Moto E as Android L may do out to me soon after the launch of Android L

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The Nexus 4 has to get an update it just has to. How bout just updating it forever. Whatever happened to Android working on lower speced phones. The N4 is not that bad in the spec department.

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No. I think it will get this one but the stupid decision to make it 8GB makes that a bit shaky and dooms it for any future release.

Yeah but if it does not allow for sufficient storage space on one, they are not going to release it just for the other.

I still think think it is getting L. It is just one of those things that could gum the works up

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I hope the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 gets it.

>I'm the kind of guy who stops a microwave at one second to feel like a bomb defuser.

I appreciate you guys keeping us informed of new android versions being released but come on,I'm still running firmware 4.4.2 on boost Mobile moto g.I haven't gotten the update of 4.4.3 and haven't gotten 4.4.4,I would appreciate better and more useful information as updates are actually being released. Please try to focus on these current updates that have been released but a lot of people in the U.S haven't even received. Hearing about android L update that isn't even coming for at least a year away.Notification of this update is highly to early to be posting about it wen these previous updates just came out but haven't received. Better knowledge on my situation is Wat I'm looking for,like wats the hold up.Can any of your staff members do a blog of why its taking so long for A lot of U.S moto g boost Mobile users haven't gotten any of these new firmware updates?Thank you.

Its boost, they don't care about updates.. If You care about updates, You shouldn't But a boost phone. Also L is coming in a couple months not a year.

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Carriers are always a wildcard factor in updates. And given that Boost is an MVNO they're going to be even slower than the likes of the 4 big postpaid carriers, who are also pretty slow. If fast updates are a priority for you you may want to consider a different carrier.

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@ Justin Merithew,thanks for your reply.So how dies the release of an ota update process work.Wat I mean is Motorola is the maker of my phone.So don't they release the ota update so I can update my phone or do they send it to boost and they release the update?

I knew my Droid RAZR Maxx HD wasn't getting it as its gotten two updates already going from ICS to Jelly Bean to now Kit Kat. I'm buying a new later this year or next year when I switch carriers so I'm good. At least my Nexus 7 from last year will be good to go.

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What about the Nexus 7 2012? Then again, if the Nexus 10 isn't getting it (granted, it's still speculation), I doubt the 1st gen N7 will either.

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I've reached the point where I no longer care what version of the OS is on my devices as long as they run the apps I want, run them fast enough to please me and are stable with decent battery life.

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According to CMs motto never settle I bet the one plus one will be seeing official updates the next 3 years.

Any thoughts on Huawei and the p7 flagship?

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Lol... They cannot even put cm on the phones now and you think it will be better later.

Go check there is no official build.

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No sign of kitkat even, for galaxy tab 3 nor for galaxy s4 gt.19506. I don't expect Android L.

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One thing that I have learned out of this thread is that Sprint is not all that bad with updates.

My Tab 3 has KK and most if not all carriers S4 have it.

OnePlus has previously put my fears to rest so no worry for me. Also being carrier unlocked is a +. Our update will come directly from OnePlus or CM. But I found this article to be a good read. Pretty cool

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LOL--They cannot even get an official CM build on Kit Kat, and can never live up to their promises.

Sorry you are blindly listen to them.

You should know by now your opinion of this phone doesn't carry any weight with me. Let's see what happens. I would bet $ it will have it before the note 3.

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and that is cool that my opinion should not count to you, as yours does not to me.

Saying that your fears are laid to rest is wishful thinking in my opinion, but to each his own.

9 months after announcement and it still has no official OS should be telling enough

But, alas, it isn't. Have a good day nonexus. I will not waste time arguing with you on a beautiful Sunday morning. Again let's see what happens... PS I'm MORE than satisfied with my phone and hope you are with yours

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I will say I'm curious. Has any manufacturer besides the obvious, google, and OnePlus announced what phones will get it. I know the 2 year rule but as android evolves companies should make announcements to put consumers fears to rest. It would suck to have to "wonder" if you'll get it. For example, let's say OnePlus misses their 3 month deadline (I don't think they will. Why announce it and set your own deadline if you know you can't hit it) but if they miss the deadline, I like them now for being bold, coming out and announcing it will get it months before it's ready. More manufacturers should follow suit. Ease your customers fears. Don't make them wonder. But this was a great article for those who have been wondering

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It is easy to say a deadline, it is quite another to actually make one, ANY one and this specifically applies to the OPPO 1-

They have not made one yet, and there is no reason or evidence to point to this being nothing more than lip service to get people to say "hey they promised they were upgrading before anyone else, they are great!!!" jsut like you are doing.

I really feel that they have to hit a deadline before they can talk about anything. Heck I would love to see them actually follow though with shipping with an official CM build.

So far they have paid nothing but lip service, played in grey areas and are on the verge of just outright lying and being consciously deceptive.

See there you go again trying to argue.

Read my post again, didn't I say at least they came out and said something. Nothing I said warrants negativity from you. After my last post I thought "how many OTHER (not 1+) companies have said ANYTHING to ease the concerns of those who bought their product. And i said I like that my manufacturer has made an announcement. Nothing inflammatory. Then hear you go with all the negative spew about a OnePlus. That's not what I'm talking about.

I'm trying to put my argument with you last week behind me and MOVE ON... you know...like a mature adult and all....but I'm beginning to think you enjoy arguing with strangers online. You seem to think I'm starting with you and I'm not. I realize taking to you about anything 1+ related is a waste of time.

What you don't understand is I'll have it one way or the other. It's a phone partnered with CM. So even if it's a CM12 custom ROM, slim Kat, paranoid android etc. But I'll have it.

You've went out of your way to state you don't like the phone or trust the company, enough, we get it, it's a dead and beaten horse. The owners of the phone don't care what you think. Again, just sit back, wait and see what happens. I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to provoke arguments by taking my comments off topic. All I said was companies should follow the example of making an announcement to ease the fears of those who buy their phones relating to software updates going forward. There's something to be said for that, weather you miss the deadline by 2 weeks or not

Anyone else think companies should just announce it rather than make their customers wonder or speculate

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First off, you replied to my post directly hence my response.

Next, I am not directing any negativity toward you personally.

THe company on the other hand is a sham and a fraud. You are acting as if their announcement actually means something. It is just more lip service from a company that has failed to deliver on everything so far.

In addition, going the CM route is available for just about every phone, if you are willing to do it so that is no great feat.

Getting the official CM that was supposed to ship with the 1- is apparently a MAJOR accomplishment, one that they 1- still cannot do.

Here is a question for you.

Knowing that they have yet to hit a deadline, or even deliver the product as they stated, what makes you think that this statement is gospel and it will be accomplished?

Again, it is nothing personal towards you.

I can respect your reply. In short to answer your question I think they'll update it because they are aware of all the negativity surrounding the release and will look to update to give them weight with their next device. Again you make a valid point when you say a deadline that's missed is just a date. But MY POINT IS NOT A MISSED DEADLINE IT'S THAT THEY MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. You're the one harping on deadlines. The article is about whether or not your phone will get L. Not when my company just so happens to have set a time-frame.

Also I'm very aware custom roms are not exclusive to this phone. I simply said I'll have it one way or another my phone. Being the ONLY phone in America where rooting and roming WILL NOT void your warranty. I've NEVER had a android phone I haven't rooted. Cm 7 on my Optimus s in 2011 (when I first joined this forum BTW). The shooter roms on my og evo 4g. Stock ICS rooted in my evo 3d. Slim bean on my galaxy s2. Cm11 on my galaxy s3. Stock rooted on my Moto g and stock rooted using towel root on my LG volt and now this. I've only had it 6 days abd it has all the features and customizations of cm so I haven't rooted it yet. But I will before years end to try other roms.

PS: I know you didn't ask for my history of devices but I'm just explaining that I'll get L one way or the other and rooting/roming won't be the ONLY way I'll get l. There will be a update. Let's see what they do. I'm sure we'll continue this again when the announcement comes

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I beg to differ on the announcement vs deadline thing. They did set a deadline of three months after final release. It is not a big deal really.

We can substitute announcement into half my complaints for deadline and I would still have a valid point. They announced it would be on sale in Q2 at retailers. They announced it would be shipping with official CM. They announced they were a startup that were going to shake things up. The announcements were just fluff and lies to keep the interest going, like when a ponzi scheme pays off the first few investors so they can give testimonials to the next ones they sucker into investing. It is the same principle.

With the Nexus line, which is sold in the US, you can root and ROM and not void your warranty. A technically it is illegal for any phone to be rooted in the US (if someone were to apply the broad definition of the DCMA)

I agree with your statement that you will have it one way or another on your phone. I am sure on XDA there is a bit of a community for the phone since it is so cheap. It is only held back by the lack of retail sales. I also know that my Note three, through the same method will have Andoid "N" if I so choose. Your phone history and mine are similar in a lot of ways...lol

Finally, I really hope that you and I do not need to have this discussion come January. What that will mean is that they are are actually living up to things they say and are not a scam after all. THis is nothing but good if it happens because the people that bought into it are secure in having the beginning of a decent company behind them and that the Android OEMs have more competition. I am all for that.

Until then they are a scam and to be avoided.

I can respect that. I'm a android user who would rank future software updates first in what I look for in a new phone. I couldn't, just COULDN'T spend $350 on a nexus 5 that would give me 56 less gb of internal memory, worse battery (the #2 thing I look for in a phone as I'm gone 11 hours a day at work) worse camera and so much more than the 1+. If you look at the "general thoughts" thread in the OnePlus forum on this site you'll see 2 weeks ago I said it was nexus 5 or this. I was happy with my LG volt until android l was announced and knew it wouldn't get it. If this was April I would have gotten the n5 but it's TOO CLOSE to the end of the year flagships (October) to justify one. I know it'll be supported for another year but I wanted something up to date with nice specs abd good support for the future. Despite OnePlus past missed deadlines, only THE FUTURE will tell if I made the right choice. So far I feel I did. I've bought 3 phones already this year and needed to get something I can be content with four at least 8 months - a year.

But look at lg and the year old g2,people are speculating as to the future. Wasn't gonna do that with the lg g3 next year when the 4 is all they're gonna care about then. I LOVE HOW EASY SAMSUNG MAKES IT TO ROOT THEIR PHONES but I don't like the phones themselves anymore because of touchwiz, Knox, and my perceived notion that they only care about their CURRENT flagship and could care less about the other phones they release which brings me to... Motorola. Love how they're supporting the E and G, truly awesome and trendsetting I hope. Samsung could learn a thing or 2 about a thing or 2 from them. The only reason I didn't buy Motorola is the X is close to a year old (see my points on the nexus 5) and I didn't want to wait to buy the x+1. I got a $1000 bonus check from work 2 weeks ago, and ANY MARRIED GUY will tell you if I didn't figure out something to spend some of that $ I earned on, my wife would have, screw that noise lol. I really could have got the g3 of galaxy s5 or m8. My wife wouldn't have killed me as I would have reported a $500 bonus Lmao. My experience with HTC has been great though that was 2 years ago. My only issue back then was all the bugs you had running non-Sense roms like aosp when ICS came out. That's probably been smoothed out and they support their phones and unlocking bootloader as I used the HTC dev site on my evo 3d (which believe it or not I still own lol). I really can't give you a reason I didn't buy HTC outside of when android L was announced, I swore, I mean swore, I would get nexus or one plus because I knew cm would make sure the phone had it as they have always had their release along with new android versions. So I chose OnePlus. I like that they deal directly with the people, no carrier interference bs.

Just one last thing. You keep using the word "cheap" in reference to this phone. Ask any user, ask Andrew Martonik, who I could be wrong, but I believe, he did the review on this phone, if it feels cheap. The price is cheap but there's no shortcuts on camera, processor, material or screen. The usual area manufacturers shortcut to release phones on a desired price range. Like I said, I had a bonus so I could have got any decide short of a solid gold HTC one or s5 Lmao!!! Heck between the moto g in February, the lg volt and June and this I've already spent $700 on phones this year. Had to get a phone that would hold me down more than 6 months lol. They're being sold at cost, hence the price, but I know you already knew that.

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This post is going to be really disjointed because I am gonna try to respond to yours kinda point by point....I apologize if it is going to seem more confusing than most of mine...lol...

I don't rank updates as high as you. If that is your thing then Moto, Nexus and right now HTC/Samsung (they are closer than perception) are the way to go. I did not include OnePlus because of the dumb crap they have done, but IF they hold to their word, they may just beat them all. CM is not a terribly hard thing to update (my perception because ancient devices still have unofficial builds that work pretty well) and could remain updated through O.

I am going to take my disdain out of the equation as much as I can. If it would have come down to a choice for me between the Nexus 5 and the OnePlus, I would have gone your route for the exact reasons you did. Battery, memory and camera pretty much in that order.

Back to the disdain, yes only the future will tell but they are not off to a good start. The constant BS is wearing thin, and the fact that they edit the forums so heavily instead of being straight (something that I think a "new" company would want to do to build consumer confidence) bugs me and doesn't bode well.

If you were only looking a year ahead there really was nothing to worry about with the G2. I would throw in the S4 and the M7 as well, but I am not that big a fan of those phones. At any rate, all three are getting L. Are they getting M like the One+ or the Note 3? Outside of the S4 I would say no, and the s4 is really really iffy.

Knox is going to be on every OEM phone when L is released (except maybe those with CM) so that is unavoidable. How Google implements it is the big question. I am guessing it is going to be just like Samsung did (maybe you will get the option on first install) and have a root/ROM trip counter. It only makes sense.

Your perceived notion about samsung is about half right. They care about maybe the top 10% and could not care less about anything below it. The E and G are good examples that all OEMs need to follow.

yeah if you are a married guy (like me and you) you cannot have a surplus reported to the wife. If so, you will never see a dime.

It is one of the reasons that I am lucky in my position (which you doubt that I have) that I get to play with these things without paying for it. Before this job I went through TONs of phones either buying outright, or off craigslist or whatever just because I was bored. I think though I might have stuck with the Note up until the G3 this year. Right now it the Note 4 doesn't have YOUM, I will consider either sticking with my current arrangement or going to the G3 Stylus (if done right). I like HTC as well but cannot get past that camera. Sense 6 is nice though.

The only way that I am using cheap in reference to is Price. I will more than likely never hold one so I cannot comment on it. Notice I have not picked on the internals of the way the OnePlus "works" (OS does not count because Color is a known sticker and CM is not official) and that is because I do not know. Havent held it. More than likely wont and is not my place to judge.

If you want to talk about LG, HTC or most of the others, there I can talk with some hands on knowledge.

I hope this made some sense....

It made sense. Well said. I just chose to buy at an off time. Had to press a button. We'll see if I pressed the right one

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I'm hoping my Galaxy S2 gets CM12 (Android L).
If not, I'll be buying the Nexus 5 (maybe 6).

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Guys, nice article but you kinda completely missed the most important piece of the pussle that is "what dos the SoC Vendor do". The likes of MTK, NVidia, Qualcomm and co. have very clear cut plans which chipset is supported up to which Android release and of they say no there is no hope for anything official and cooked ROMs while existing will be very bumpy, Cyanogene or not. For example the venerable MSM8260 (Snapdragon3 to its friends) gets anything up to 4.1.2 while e.g. the APQ8064 (S4pro or Snapdragon 600 depending on point release) is sure to see L-Release support - otherwise HTC could not have announced an M7 Update.
Looking at the used SoC might get your guessing even more educated ^^

That's why i am pretty sure that the G2 with Snapdragon 800 will get the letter L.

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When it comes to updates, the best thing to do is get a Windows Phone or an iPhone. Android updates are cumbersome and limited mostly to high-end devices, barring the Motos; so it's mostly market specific, simply leaving out emerging markets which have very limited amount of high-end devices. Talking of Windows Phone, every device gets an update, which is great. However, can we expect Android L to be available via custom ROMs for most devices?

I've seen Windows phones get abandoned after a certain period and as others have said iPhones may get updated OS versions but most of the features will be missing depending on how old the phone is.

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Old iphones don't get updated...they get new version #s. Anything older than a year skips half the features. Windows phones get abandon end every other year...
Also Jerry forgot the Nexus 6, which will come with L.

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Hopefully the Nexus 6 doesnt exist or if it does, is a real consumer phone unlike all its predecessors

While I like the Nexus 5, I do kinda agree with you. I'd be willing to pay more for a Nexus with no cut corners. The battery life of the Nexus 5 was the main reason I switched to an M8.

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not to cut down the M8 but if you would have went to a G3 or S5 you would also include the camera in the list of things that need improving...

Jerry: Can you elaborate on your thoughts on the HTC ONE M7? You talk about before the M7 and after the M7, which categorie does the M7 itself fit into?

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Are you saying that the HTC One M7 would be expected to receive the update, or would not?

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I'm super sure Jerry is wrong on the nexus front. I'm sure I've heard during I/O that nexus 10, 7(2013), 5, 4 are getting L. The only left out is 7(2012), and the ones that were abandoned already like the Sammy Nexus

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I'm really hoping that the Nexus 10 will get at least one more update to L. The tablet won't be two years old until November so maybe there is a slim chance if L is released soon enough...

I'm sure my Nexus 4 will get Android L. If not official than via custom rom.
But really I expect an official update, I just don't see any reason not to update the N4.

However, if the next Nexus is a descent smartphone it might be time for a hardware update anyway :-)

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Ditto with the Nexus 7 2012. Just don't see a reason not to update them. I fully expect official updates for both.

I got, through a bunch of BS with the stupid phone insurance company, the 2013 droid maxx and I'd hope that I'd get the L update. The only reason I would have wanted to get rid of my old razr maxx hd was that I felt forgotten by Motorola after it finally got Kit Kat. I looked at that as the end of the line for that phone which I didn't expect to get kit kat on at all.

I'm pretty sure I will be close to upgrading my Note 3 before I see an update on Verizion.
This bums me out a bit and is really driving me to purchase a Nexus device instead so I don't have to worry about stuff like this.
But Nexus devices and Verizon doesn't match up very well either. And while I would switch I've already played that card once and was burned horribly. After Verizon dropped their 1 year upgrade plan and then dropped unlimited data the wife was on-board to make the switch just out of spite.
Our mistake was going with U.S. Cellular. The coverage was horrible. For almost 2 weeks I could make calls but not receive calls no matter where I was. It seemed like the number port was stuck between Verizon and U.S. Cellular. And walking into a store to resolve the issue resulted in being told they were to busy.
I think the only thing that would get the wife to leave the Verizon bosom at this point would be a Verizon rep coming by the house and TP'ing our trees or perhaps spay painting: Verizon rules on the car or something.

Android L. You know I like this name so when it gets it's official name, Lollipop or Lemon pie or whatever I am going to continue to call it Android L it's easier to say and It's catchy. Thinking about my Nexus 5 this upgrade will move me 50% of the way. Why? Because Android L is going to be 64 bit, but my Nexus 5 and any device released this year before A/ L will be 32 bit. The same will be true of any app I currently have. 32 bit, not 64. I don't know can 64 bit apps can run on 32 bit devices? What will be lost doing this? So will we have two versions of apps? Two build versions of L? Whatever - the real potential might be in running 64 bit apps on a 64 bit device. For me with a 32 bit phone - I am half way there.

I can not wait to get Android L on the G1! Just kidding it was very sluggish with Gingerbread on it. I would like to see it on Jellybean or KitKat if anybody has tried it Youtube it.

>Nexus 4 not getting Android L
>They released some bits of the Android L kernel for the Nexus 4
>Its CPU is still badass
>This comes from a dude that calls himself a cowboy.

This sht gets me mad and it will spread further rumors.

inb4 me mad. :p

Other than heads up notifications (which has been available with a handful of third party apps already), Project Volta (any real-world results yet?), and some UI window dressing...is this REALLY a major update to begin with?

I shudder to think how carriers and vendors will negate Project Volta with their bloatware and how carrier/vendor skins may taint heads out notifications (for non-Nexus devices)

Is it sure that OnePlus will be updating to Android L in a timely fashion?IIT will changes the my phone to operate well.

I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't have any issues with their OnePlus One. Then again, people tend to post more when its a complaint, not a compliment. Ah well.

Thanks Jerry,
Good article. . .Fascinating how the different manufacturers approach upgrading.
[And] for many of us the question is how long before a stable, custom Android L Rom is released for our model phones.. .

I honestly wonder with how close the Motorola X 2014 Pure is to stock, the amount of time it will take them to put Android L on their Phones. I'm sure they will be quicker than the rest, but I have this weird feeling that its going to be less than two weeks and they'll have Android L fully intergrated into the Moto X Pure. Cross my fingers. I have really high hopes for this phone... I have a feeling as soon as people start getting it in masses, its going to catch on like wildfire and be the phone to get.